Originally posted by Ravraxas
Which is all in line with the cycle of night and day, yes I'm aware. It doesn't take a genius to notice, after all it's written all over the Caste names of both Solars and Abyssals.
Nevertheless I think you misunderstand my objection (I would't really call it a complain and it certainly isn't directed at the concept of Redemption itself) to how you dismissed the concerns of all the people who posted in this thread by stating that the problem was that the Solar NPCs were badly written.
There is more to it than that.
People are concerned over how Redemption seems to imply that the Solar Exalted are inherently moral and I personally think that the point made about why anyone would want to become one when everything they know paints them as the worst monsters to ever exists has some merit and deserves more than that. There is also the questions about how Redemption undermines the larger theme of Exalted of "actions have consequences" by undoing one of the worst consequences that the Exalted Host and the order imposed by Heaven has suffered as a whole.
As far as I know none of this changes no matter how well written your Solars NPCs are.
Also, by the tone of your reply I realize I wasn't being clear in my previous post: I'm not a native English speaker, so when someone that actually is one tells me I don't know what a word means I check. I literally went and checked the word "theme" in a dictionary just to be sure it wasn't a false friend. I wasn't being facetious or anything like that.
First let me just say that, I am only offering you these remarks because I am trying to take your criticism to heart—but it's difficult if I don't understand your meaning. Now that you have made yourself very clear, let's start again, shall we?
There's nothing in a Solar's powers that makes everything they do turn out "Good" or moral. But the Abyssal curse guarantees everything they do will end in ash and sorrow. To an Abyssal suffering this curse, the motive/creative/holy power of Solar Exaltation represents not a guarantee of a state of moral good, but the chance
to do moral good as he deems it, without bringing ruin and death to everyone and everything he loves as a guaranteed promise of his power. An Abyssal who wants to break the curse would rise to the lofty heights of sainthood in pursuing this goal, despite the awful price in suffering he must pay. It has everything to do with the Abyssal's idea of morality and how the Unconquered Sun recognizes a hero's virtue, and that Solars have the choice of good or evil. Redemption does not mean the Abyssal who has become a Solar will be free from temptation and unable to make mistakes or act immorally, although it is highly implied that they will stay a moral actor by virtue of what they have suffered.
And yes, this all requires the ST to deem actions moral, which some may reject outright. Those kinds of Storytellers won't run Redemption stories, and that's AOK, but other Storytellers doing so won't hurt their games.